“Above the storm, the smallest prayer will still be heard.” -Dolly I’ve shared so much these last three weeks and I had always imagined in doing so it would help me, my family and all those who care for our family. Little did I know how much hurt and hatred I’d cause in merely expressing […]
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i love you all and i know that whatever you decide it will be the right thing for your family. anyone who knows you knows that.love you sister
I stumbled across your website a couple of months ago, as I am an aspiring photographer. I think you are very brave for sharing your story. You have truly touch my heart and I look forward to continuing to follow your journey, as well as checking out your awesome photography! I wish you and your family the best with whatever decisions you make.
deckarddanielle@yahoo.com. I so wish we lived closer so you could meet my amazing little boy and see how I have not changed my life much since having him. Also Hope’s little notes are just too sweet…I did want to say that I saw in your mindmap where you said you were worried how your kids would feel and from those little notes you get i have a feeling your kids are gonna LOVE their little sister. Stay strong Momma, and listen to God! You are in my prayers tonight!
Amanda, i am from the babycenter people. I hope i was not one that offended you. I must admit i teared up when i read this and that this post i really think showed you do have hope for your baby and are not simply “looking” for an excuse to terminate. I want you to know your amazing and sacral! thats AMAZING! i know sacral sb babies who have NO problems. I truly believe you have a chance to have one of these babies as you have So many people praying for you! Me included! Feel free to email me atThanks everyone. Danielle I’d say the only thing beyond praying you can do is please tell the SB babycenter mothers to stop beating the horse to death…checked my blog stats today which lead me to a couple new threads. Then briefly check the SB community for the first time since Saturday to hear someone refer to me as “mentally unstable”…definitely not “supportive” of an SB expectant mother if you ask me. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion I suppose and I’ll take the hit if it means I’m creating awareness of choices every family should have. And if it isn’t evident, I do still have plenty of hope…I was never looking for “validation to terminate”. I was told while serving in the army to assume does one thing.
Just wanted to let you know that we are praying for a miracle. We are by your side no matter what.
amanda, i am sorry you have such a negative opinion of us sb moms. i have tried reaching out to you and offering you the answers and support you say you so desperatley want, but you seem to think we are out to get you or something. I tried my best to offer you any support at all, and you keep retaliating rudely and offensively. maybe you should look in the mirror good luck to you im simply erasing this from my mind now….its quite obvious you dont want support from ANY sb mom
I have to admit all I want to do it reach out to you. Your post was beautiful and it puts me back when I so understood your feelings and that scary place. Keep the faith and stay looking on the bright side. Saying Prayers for you and your family!
Thank you Lexi we appreciate the prayers. Danielle please don’t take personal offense to that comment, it was not directed to you. However, go back to baby center and read a post someone started titled “My intention was not to offend anyone”. I have stayed away from babycenter until last night when I noticed a link to my blog from a new thread (not from the SB group). I took a moment to visit the SB group for the first time since Saturday and noticed that new thread where the whole situation was beat to death again and now have parents referring to me as “mentally unstable”. Don’t take personal offense to this, however, from a stand point of support…if you were the mother reading these things after truly having good intent I would hope you’d be upset too if you had people saying that and then in the last week being referred to as a long list of negative remarks. Doing this is NOT supportive in anyway. It just belittles someone who truly turned to you all for hope but apparently was hugely misunderstood. Many of the parents still believe I’m misinformed or ill educated…however, if it isn’t evident from this post and the many before, I am far from that. So for me, I am not upset at you all…I just get the vibe that right now it’s best to stay distant from babycenter because the vibe from the past week leaves me unsettled and feeling as though no matter what I say it will upset you all. I thank the many of you, such as yourself for sending positive messages. Many of you have given me hope. I have said this many times. However, this does not eliminate my fears or uncertainty. I still stand behind every thought I’ve shared regardless of what we decide. I think all that was said in the last week was very helpful to myself and others and I have no doubt it will somehow help others for a time to come. I think of all those people in the world who have faced scrutiny and negative opinions for speaking about about things important in the world and though sometimes I wonder if I should remain silent. I think of those people and wonder what this world would have been like if they had remained silent.
hi, amanda. i just wanted to let you know that i’ve been thinking of you. i’m a total stranger, but for some reason your heartwrenching situation has struck me, resonated with me in a personal way. though i post under a different name on bbc, i share the same IRL name as your daughter. perhaps that’s it, idk? perhaps it’s bec. i developed a neuro illness as an adult, idk? maybe it’s just bec. i’m a mom, like you, who loves my dc, idk? maybe it’s bec. i’m also creative (writer) and think and write and talk from every angle to clarify my mind, to figure out what it is i really mean (i think that’s why i “got” the idea of the poll). maybe it’s bec. i thought so deeply about TFMR in my last pregnancy (prematurely it turned out). but i continue to explore this issue, as i’m going to ttc again and i’m of AMA. i think about it constantly. it is the most challenging ethical issue i’ve ever faced; i can’t begin to imagine your own extreme turmoil in the midst of dx. as i mentioned before, i’m not religious, but i’ve been thinking about you and your family in a prayerful way, if that makes any sense. i also saw the bbc mention of the SB day of prayer, so i’ve been thinking especially prayerfully about you, the bbc moms and people with SB in general. i’ve taken this opportunity to learn more about SB, which i appreciate. i feel it is always good to educate ourselves about others, especially other w/ different challenges as i have a neuro challenge myself. i saw on your post that the MOMS study isn’t likely to be an option, nor is adoption;so that leaves 2 directions for you to explore. that you received some hope from your appts. is good, though i know you and your family must feel very cautious, very raw and spent. i wish you peace, strength and courage as you continue, through love and wisdom, to search for direction and answers. thinking of you.
i posted my board name incorrectly above. it’s supposed to be hm.
Sounds like things, even though nervewracking and exhausting with the appointments, went GREAT yesterday. What the doctors told you is FABULOUS news… no present hydro, sacral small opening….. I can’t help but believe God LISTENS. I was one literally on my knees yesterday, prompted by the facebook group. And I will continue to pray.
All I can do is pray and send my notes to God to make the changes needed if it is His Will.
He has promised us that one day all of this will be done away with…Revelations 21:3 & 4 This scripture has giving me so much hope for the past 39 years. I had to make a simular decision in regards to Colette and I thank God it turned out for the best.I was told that she would have an enlarged head and be an idiot.
Her head is enlarged by pride but for some strange reason we love her anyway,lol.
I do not tell you this to try and change your mine, just let you know that I trully understand that you have a diffult decison to make.
I WILL LOVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT CHOICE YOU MAKE!
Your friend,
Barbara Mitchell
Hi, I had your online class last year. I didn’t even know that you were trying for a baby until just now. I am sorry that you did not get the support you needed from the board you were in. Motherhood and pregnancy does tend to be a hot-button issue (heck, there was an article on yahoo where they were talking about the recalls of Similac, and the arguments between those who breastfeed and those who don’t were vicious). Whatever you got to do, do it. I hope that whatever decision you are able to make peace with yourself (sorry about the clumsy wording). And Danielle, please keep in mind that tone is not apparent on the internet.
Hi Amanda,
I’m also from BC, but live right here in Orlando. Not sure if you’ve seen my comments on the board, but if I can help you at all let me know. I’d love to meet up with if that would help. I’ve met with other expectant mothers and they’ve told me how calming it has been to see my son in real life. We go to the same OB, and probably the same Neuro practice. My son’s SB is L5/S1…he’s doing so great. Just started walking!
Amanda, I know how hard all this is for you. I found your blog thru the Faces of Loss site. I lost 2 boys to prematurity before getting pregnant with my daughter and 2 boys after her. My daughter has a rare form of spina bifida called terminal myelocystocele which occurs in the sacral area. We had no idea anything was wrong before she was born and the first thing we heard was “There’s a problem “- then she cried and I knew we could deal with anything else that popped up. We were told she would never walk without aid, dance, ride a bike or drive a car. She never used a walker etc except after surgeries, she has over 40 dance trophies and can ride a 3 wheeler. She also not only drives a car but doesn’t need hand controls. She is a very loving,talented and intelligent individual. She recently turned 21 and graduated in the top 4 percent of her high school class and fast tracked her Associates degree and was in the top 10% of that class. Only you can make the tough decision you have facing you. I do not fault you in anyway for thinking of all the options. Just wanted to give you a positive look at the possible outcome of going full term. My thoughts and prayers are with you regardless of what your decision might be. Good luck dear
Oh Amanda. My heart continues to break for you. I have been praying for you and have asked many people to pray for you as well. As I said in my comments on a different post, I am a mom of an amazing daughter with SB. I found your blog in a semi random way. I am so sorry that you’re being mistreated by some of the SB moms out there. I know that you just need support and prayers right now. I think this is just so difficult for the SB community because we are all struggling to show that our kids are worth being alive in spite of the things that are different about them. But I have to say that they have no right to call you names! You will continue to be in my prayers.
As someone from “the other side” of this issue, I wanted to say that you are incredibly brave for sharing so much of your process publicly. It is such an intensely personal decision and there are so many factors to consider. Termination is not the “easy” choice, as so many people seem to believe, but it is a different type of struggle. For what it’s worth, our baby’s diagnosis was much more severe (her spine lesion was at T10 or higher and went down into the sacral region, curved spine, already advanced hydro, club feet, etc etc) and I just had a distinct feeling from the beginning that she was never meant to join us in this world. It is the hardest thing I have ever done, and sometimes I feel guilty or angry or bitter, but I don’t ever regret it. I chose to hurt so she didn’t have to.
I hope you can find some peace soon, with whichever direction you choose.
I swear, I cry every time I read your blog. I haven’t caught all the way up, but couldn’t help skipping ahead to see how you are doing now. I realize that you guys haven’t made your decision yet, but wanted to share my perspective. When I had Rachel, we knew before she was born that something wasn’t right, but we didn’t know exactly what was “wrong.” They wanted to do an amnio, but I told them no. In my case, there wasn’t anything they could do for her before she was born, and I didn’t want to be faced with the decision that you are faced with now. I had already terminated a pregnancy out of fear of what might be “wrong.” The pain of that decision has never gone away. So when Rachel’s time came, I already knew that no matter what, she was going to be born. So in that regard, I had it easy compared to where you and your family are right now. I cannot imagine.
Someone sent me the story, “Welcome to Holland” after I had Rachel. It is by Emily Perl Kingsley, and is about parenting a Special Needs child. I think that even where you are in your journey; it is something you can relate to, if no one has shared it yet. Embarrassingly, I can’t at the moment remember how to post a link… don’t roll your eyes at me… I have a lot going on and have brain drain.
I guess I am telling you about Rachel because a lot of the things you have on your Mind Maps (both) are things that I think all mothers in this position think, whether or not they want to admit it (most probably wouldn’t admit it). Even though I knew I wanted to have Rachel, it didn’t mean I worried about any of the Full-Term things less, and it didn’t mean that I didn’t think about the things that were on your Termination page either. I had my mind made up and I still struggled.
People always say that God doesn’t give you more than you can handle. That saying always made me feel as though I should be able to handle everything in my life on my own. Someone straightened this out in my mind recently. They told me that God gives you enough so you remember to lean on Him.
If you guys decide to keep your baby, there are resources and good people who can and want to help. Things do have a way of working out – just not as easily or quickly as we sometimes like. And if you guys decide to terminate, it doesn’t make you evil. It makes you human. Keep doing what you do best…being you…and then you will wake up one day…and know.
http://www.our-kids.org/Archives/Holland.html or at Wikipedia.
I worked at a special needs school. I remember that essay. It can be found here
Please do not terminate.
Please do not terminate.
oops, Sorry about the double post. My computer went wonky on me.
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“I’ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” —Maya Angelou At the end of the summer I received a request for my first Littlest Heroes Photo Session. The Littlest Heroes Project is a volunteer effort I joined this […]
by Amanda Kern
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WOW!! These are unbelievable and more than worth the wait. You are an amazing photographer and an amazing person. My entire family enjoyed the time we spent with you and I am extremely excited as I have not been able to get Justin to smile like that for a picture in a long time. You have an amazing gift and a loving heart… don’t ever forget that.
WOW! Those are some AMAZING photos! I wish I lived in FL so you could be our photographer! I know what Justin and his family go through day in and day out and I KNOW they appreciate you taking the time to photograph them.
Simply beautiful photography.
These pictures are incredible. You can see the love this family has for eachother…you can see the strength in Justin’s eyes. You have captured moments that this family will treasure forever! You are a blessing for taking the time to really get to know the spirit of this family! Wonderful job!!
GORGEOUS PICTURES!!!!!!! I’d be honored to have you photograph our family anytime…if you’re ever in AZ, let me know Your talent is amazing!!!!!
These pictures are beautiful. I love this family and love that you took these wonderful pictures for them.
Your photography is a gift – thank you for sharing it.
Wow! Beautiful! One wonderful photo after another! You are a talented photographer, who has given this this family an incredible gift.
Ah WOW. These are gorgeous photos of a beautiful family. Amanda, nice job. Lora is a friend of mine and I am so glad that she and her family got to participate in this photo shoot with you. Thank you for showing them off like the “Rock Stars” that they are to me.
Have a wonderful day.
What gorgeous pictures!! You have such amazing talent you can see the love and the beauty in every single picture. This is one wonderful family and you captured that in every single shot…WELL DONE!!
Awesome! I just love every single one of these photos. You did a wonderful job photographing this beautiful family…and an even more wonderful thing by participating in this Littlest Heroes project.
What beautiful pictures! You have captured the essence of this family! Darling children. Darling parents. What a special gift for anyone dealing with diabetes – or any disease. Thank you so much for lifting up this family’s spirits through your art! Great job!
“Have you ever wondered which hurts the most: saying something and wishing you had not, or saying nothing, and wishing you had?” — Unknown I am face #1357 of 2000 women who participated in the “I am the face” campaign started recently. I had hoped to post this on Friday, October 15th which is national […]
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Amanda,
I hope you know just how much of an inspiration you are to people, especially me. You face whatever life has thrown at you with dignity, grace and strength. You have to me so much, both in and out of the classroom. You make me not only want to be a better designer, but a better human being. Whenever I’m faced with an obstacle (though, these could never compare to what you are facing), I often think of you and your family, the struggles you have and are enduring, and how you keep pushing on, keep moving forward, and I am inspired to just keep going.
I know the days ahead are going to be challenging and the decisions you face are agonizing. I hope you know that you are surrounded by people who care about you and are sending love and prayers your way.
Jeff
I don’t know if I have posted before. I have been married 10 hrs. We did fertility for 3 years, had an ectopic emergency surgery, tried to adopt for 2 years and then got pregnant. We were thrilled and now have a 3 yr old. Then we did IVF. We got pregnant with twins. One miscarried and the other was later diagnosed with SB. I feel your pain. I have great compassion for you. I ran a half marathon today for my son with SB which I never would have done if it weren’t for him. I am glad you are reaching out. Please call if you ever need anyone to chat without judgement 512-585-0724.
Oh, I hurt for you, Amanda. My heart is pounding and my hands are shaking… I can barely type. We never lost a baby. But I do understand the agony of trying and trying for a baby. Then upon finally getting pregnant, we got the SB diagnosis. DEVASTATION. I wanted to crawl into a hole and not come out, ever. But then she was born, and nothing else mattered but to hold and love that sweet baby girl. And she is De-light-ful. Anyone who knows her can not imagine a world without her. I painfully read your words, “after having 3 miscarriages and now still in the midst of deciding whether I should give up on my baby” and “wonder if termination is a wiser option than our baby and family living a more challenging life”…. You’re right, I do not know you. I do not know your pain. I do understand it to some degree. And it is HARD. HIDEOUS. But as a Mommy on the other side of it, living that more challenging life and watching my sweet baby grow into a BEAUTIFUL girl with a determined spirit FULL of life and laughter, I beg you to embrace the challenge. I would bet that you are WAY more prepared to face it head on than I was because of your past history of loss. And what a blessing that strength could be! I again ask that you please visit my website I posted and see our girl. She’s a fighter, a hard worker, and she is PERFECT. Spina Bifida is the least interesting thing about her. And I would love to be in contact via email or otherwise. Blessings….
I found your blog following the usual breadcrumb trail from another blog. I do not know if you are on Twitter, or not, but wanted to let you know we are hosting a #pregnancychat on Twitter on pregnancy and newborn loss. The chat will be on October 27th at 3pm. Please consider joining us. Use the hashtag #pregnancychat.
“in the midst of movement and chaos, keep stillness inside of you.” – Deepak Chopra I suppose we all suspected me publicly bringing any of my feelings, especially with this controversial of an issue would end up leading to some pretty opinionated, and at times offensive messages. I have yet to have a reason to […]
“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” ~ Martin Luther King Jr. I know many of you have been following my blog and have felt the heartache and struggles we’re faced with since learning the baby has spina bifida. I admit, every single day my heart feels torn […]
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I will pray for you I for one know how hard this is. May God help you with this. I did what I thought was right and I stand behind it all the way. No one can tell you what to do and no matter what you do it will hurt. I know this is true. Every Halloween I feel the pain. Just follow your heart and Jason’s because it affects you both and your kids. Bless you and I am so sorry that you have to make this kind of decision sorry i cant spell lol love ya Peggy
Which ever way you may decide, just know in you heart you are doing what you feel is best for your family. Many people have strong opinions, but what it all comes down to is you and no one else. You are the judge of what is best for you and your family. Much love to you and your family.
I just wanted to tell you my tale. I know that this is a very hard decision for you. Noone can influence your decision. Only you know what is best for you and your family. But I will pray for you. I will pray that God gives you the strength to handle anything you have to go through. And to help you make the decision you need to.
If you ever want to talk, please contact me.
Sincerely,
Jennifer
My sister-in-law had a baby with spina bifida. She and her husband consider their little girl a blessing.
Hi Amanda,
My name is Laura (“Laurita”), I’m 23, and I’m both a Valencia alum as well as recent UCF graduate with a B.A. in Interdisciplinary Studies.
I also have Spina Bifida. Over a year ago, I started a blog to try to promote public awareness of SB, as well as to try to find a celebrity or public figure who would be willing to become a national spokesperson.
Despite the many obstacles (for one, I am NOT a celebrity myself!), the blog/cause, called “Holdin’ Out for a Hero,” has had some success, especially in the Central Florida media, and has also been mentioned in national media outlets and prominent Web sites.
I’m not commenting here to go off on a political or religious tirade. I’m just going to tell you that I am a young woman with SB, who’s had 19 surgeries (some very invasive), I have bladder and bowel issues, plus have dealt with many emotional challenges that come with the territory. I’ve been mocked and ridiculed since kindergarten. I also have a shunt.
But, you know what? My parents moved from Puerto Rico to the U.S. when I was three, in search of better medical/educational opportunities for me. I have the BEST family God could have ever given me, and they’re extremely supportive of the endeavors I’m undertaking now.
My blog has now afforded me a remarkably unexpected support system of individuals with SB, parents, and other followers who believe in the cause.
Yes, I live SB, and it’s not always a picnic, but I have a PURPOSE, and I’m so GLAD TO BE HERE.
Please visit my blog at: http://holdinoutforahero.org/
and I am here if you have any questions whatsoever. You can E-mail me, and I’ll be happy to offer my perspective.
May God Bless you and guide you & your family,
Laurita
http://www.our-view.com or email him at arthur.L.aston@gmail.com I already told him that I was sharing his info with you, so he’ll know who you are.
I don’t know how much information you have received from the Doctors, but I’m curious to know where the opening is. I don’t know alot about Spina Bifita (I’m no Doctor), but my good friend has it and with surgery and a shunt he is able to get around with crutches and a wheelchair (when having to travel long distances). I believe his opening was lower on his back…he only lost feeling below his knees I think. You can read about his story atI know you’re probably getting bobbarded with information, but he can tell you first hand what it is like to live with Spina Bifita.
Congratulations on your pregnancy! I was in your position early this summer. You and your husband have an intensely personal decision to make. I think that the outlook for a kid growing up with spina bifida is a definite possibility, but from what I’ve learned things are generally better than what you’ve described above. If you choose to have this baby I encourage you to find your nearest myelo clinic and see the docs there for delivery, closure, and follow up. (The first neurosurgeon we met with at the first hospital we were referred to did only 1-2 closures per year! We found another after learning that.) I think there might be a Shriner’s near you. Most people seem happy with the spina bifida care they receive there. For us, we have chosen Boston Children’s Hospital and the Advanced Fetal Care Center has been an amazing resource especially when we were where you are right now. I know you are no where near Boston but I am sure that they could help you find more resources closer to home.
First, I cannot imagine what you may be going through so I applaud your courage in seeking the opinions of others. This must be a very difficult time so I’ll say a little prayer that God will walk with you through it. Second, I know a family who participated in a program similar to what you are referring to above. They live in Texas and Mom had to relocate to San Francisco for an extended period of time. Yes, it was not easy by any stretch of the imagination (especially with four children back home), but the looks on the faces of these parents when they were finally able to bring their beautiful, healthy baby girl home was absolutely breathtaking. Their journey was soo worth it in the end. Finally, you want to know what your readers would do in this situation. I, too, would choose the MOMS research study. My husband and I are having a very difficult time conceiving and if this was the situation we had to deal with after finally getting pregnant, I think we would hop on the first plane out to California. Only you know what is right for you, but I will pray for you and your family as you make this decision.
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My heart goes out to you as my sister and her family did the MOMS study this year and just had a beautiful little girl. I am a fellow photographer and here is a blog post about her, her newborn photos as well as her homecoming from the study. There is also a link to my sisters blog about their journey through pregnancy too now.You will make the right choice, Amanda, from your three valid options. It will be the right choice because you made it, the force of the decision do massive cleaves away the possibilty of being wrong.
I wish you well and peace, however it may yet be found.
Hi Amanda,
What an incredibly difficult decision. I have been in very similar shoes and wanted to share my experiences in an effort to help. My husband and I have one biological son. Due to several factors, we decided to pursue adoption for our second child. After much prayer and soul searching, we decided upon China. We expected we would adopt a female “normal” infant and rode along through the difficult and arduous process of adoption. After waiting about a year, our agency asked us if we would consider special needs. Honestly, we had not even talked about it, but again after prayer and soul searching, we decided we would look into it. We met with our pediatrician and explored many areas of disabilities that we might encounter in our search for a child. Well, spina bifida remained on the list, although, we honestly didn’t give it much thought. One night, as I searched through our adoption agency’s “waiting child” list (where special needs children were bioed), I saw the photo of a beautiful child who stole my heart. He wore the same jacket that my biological son had at the same age, which grabbed my attention. Anyway, long story short, my husband and I both felt he was “the one”. He did have spina bifida (myleomeningocele), so we researched his disorder and spoke with physician after physician, read everthing I could get my hands on in the library and over the internet. We pursued the adoption, and brought our little Benjamin home in May of 2008.
It has been a long, and at times, difficult road. He has had several surgeries already, faces bowel and bladder control issues, wears braces on his legs, etc. BUT I WOULD NOT TRADE HIM FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD. We chose to bring him into our family. I am no saint, believe me. I struggle with all of his issues as any mother would, but he has taught me that children are far more than their disabilities. He is a loving, charitable, giving, affectionate, intelligent, mischevious, wonderful child–despite his disability. He is not his disability. We are attempting to raise him this way too. We all have struggles in this life. Each of us has parts of our bodies, minds, emotions, etc. that don’t work the way we want them to all the time. Our son is told he can do anything he wants in life. He is taught to never give up. In turn, he teaches us to never give up…to never give see an individual as his or her disability–they are so much more. Most of all, he teaches us how empty our family would be without him.
The decision you have to make is difficult. I wish you all the best.
“And I will give you treasures hidden in the darkness – secret riches. I will do this so you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel, the One who calls you by name.” Isaiah 45:3
Hey Amanda. You are a very intelligent and thoughtful person, so whatever you decide will be the best for your family – its seems like none of these decisions will be an easy road. I have no idea about spina bifida or even about children in general. But I know life is hard and it hurts – and that is without having to overcome a any kind of serious disability. I don’t think any of your thoughts are selfish, you have to think of the whole picture and the future. I will keep you in my thoughts as you and your family make these decisions. I and the many others who think highly of you will support whatever you decide.
I am not one who would normally put my 2 cents in on such a personal decision but I know that if I were in your shoes I would appreciate as much honest input as possible. First of all I wanted to share one of my own personal experiences. With my most recent pregnancy I was told that she had a higher than average chance of having down syndrome. I know that down syndrome and spina bifida are not the same thing, but it still made me stop and think about what to do because if she did in fact have the condition, it would be a life altering circumstance for me and our whole family. Ultimately I decided not to have anymore tests done to find out if she did in fact have it because I realized that no matter what I would still go through with the pregnancy and leave it all up to God. Because I truly believe that God has a plan for all of us and we may not understand why or how he could do this to/for us but we have to have faith that he will help us through it. I truly feel that the only “guilt-free” decision we as humans can ever make is one that has been put in God’s hands because he is the only one that sees the whole picture. He is the creator of that blessing in your body and has already given it a purpose in life, although we don’t yet know what that is. I will pray for you and your family during this difficult time and I pray that you will trust that God will be with you throughout all of this.
Mia is a gift from God. She has taught our whole family what beauty is, what determination is…what is important is life. Yes, her milestones may be delayed – but all we really have is time, life does not need to rushed. And when she does reach a milestone, say pulling to stand, is is a miracle and a tremendous reason to rejoice in the grace of God.
I am rambling – I will say a prayer for you for guidence and peace in whatever you and your husband decide. Feel free to email me if you would like to talk.
As I sit here watching my son nap, I can only think back to when I was in your shoes. THe diagnosis of SB if a hard pill to swallow, and the pain of the loss of the “typical” child is real and hard. However, once you see though that and have this gift from God in your arms, all that indecision is erased. I would give Charlie up for anything in the world. He is perfection, even without the use of his legs, even with a shunt, even with a scar across his back. He will never be a burden, and we hope to have another child too. In fact – our only hold up is not SB, it’s my other medical issues with pregnancy. This all just makes me so sad. I imagine any person who voted for termination on your poll doesn’t have a child with SB. They only imagine the hardships, they don’t know the joy.
You know me from the babycenter board. I am so sorry, again, that you are facing these choices. Obviously, I gave you my honest to goodness vote as to what I DID in my very similar situation…however I am very uncomfortable with the poll… I hope you are not going to base too much of your decision on the results, for two reasons:
1. You are not me, and you are also not any of these other voters. This is YOUR choice.
2. Many of these people, as kind-hearted and sympathetic as they are, cannot truly understand the position you are in. This is not a black and white decision, and so many personal factors play into this, including (as you mention) the lifestyle changes that are involved. Poverty is just one. So, trusting this poll is highly unscientific… some voters cannot truly understand the visceral, heart-wrenching, overwhelming nature of being given a diagnosis of SB, whereas some can.
This is not about what they would do, it’s about what they WILL do to support you, whatever you choose. Are your friends going to turn their backs on you as a result of you terminating? Is poverty worse than that happening? I live in Canada, which on the surface is the same as the USA, except that in my social context, that is a much less worrisome issue. You live a very public life on this blog and are opening yourself to retribution from prolifers. Are you going to be able to get counseling to cope, if your support network isn’t enough?
The comment previous is an excellent example. How do we know that this woman who terminated is sad years later (normal), or wallowing in guilt and regret (not normal, needs therapy)? If you make the decision to terminate, will you wallow in guilt and grief, or will you be able to move on? Will you be able to accept that you made the most compassionate decision, one that you can live with?
Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Remembrance Day in Canada…Awareness Day for you. I find that I am changed, and am a part of a new club. It is like I have become a silver cross mother on November 11. One day for everyone to share this with. I remember him every day. I do not regret.
The issue in my eyes that you need to face, is that your baby is very sick. He/She will likely die sooner than you’d like. This is something you will grieve if you terminate or not. You will love your baby, whatever you choose. I believe that if you’re not sure, you need more time to think for yourself, more opportunity to talk with your DH and family, not a dozen other opinions! You can always turn to the boards for people who have at least walked in your shoes.
Much love and hugs to you, and do contact me if you need someone to talk to.
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I just wanted to remind you what you said at your 13 weeks blog and keep the faith that any problem is worth keeping your baby. Please fill free to check our blog atPrayers and love for you and your family!
(Regardless if if this little one ends up having any special concerns, I know it will not cause me to love it any less than I love the two children I have now. However, knowing news such as this would certainly help prepare our family in how to handle news like this)
Amanda, I’ve been following your journey and wanted to send you my care and support for whatever decision you make. I haven’t walked in your shoes, but I’ve felt a connection with you because I, too, miscarried (twice in the last year and a half) and am also now expecting. I just wanted to add that for almost two years, we lived below the poverty level. It wasn’t pretty, but I want to reassure you that we made it work. There are many, many avenues of support available. I hope that whatever decision you make, you won’t be put in such dire straights, but just know that if you do find yourself in need of financial support, it is there for this very reason. I hope you find some clarity in the coming weeks and will be thinking of you and your family.
I was in your position a little over 4 years ago and we did terminate our pregnancy. We were so excited for him and found out at 16 weeks of his condition. It was my very first pregnancy, in fact, I was one of the first of my friends and the first in my family to be expecting so everyone knew. Do I have regrets, yes, but when I look in the faces of the 2 healthy boys I’ve had since, it is hard to go back in time. What concerns me the most about this blog is that because you are so torn about your decision you don’t want to make the one that will cause you to regret the most. During my time, I decided within 3 weeks, there weren’t too many times I thought we should continue. My husband felt the same way. You on the other hand, are considering continuing which kind of makes me think terminating will leave you in a very dark place. I had no history of depression or any tragic event in my life prior yet cried every day for weeks and had moments months later that made me feel as if I did the wrong thing. Then I was pregnant. I know too many people who have made the same decision as many and quality of life has been our main concern. We have all been in your shoes yet one thing we have in common is that we didn’t question our decision when it was happening. This part alone, makes me truly feel you should continue. You do not want to be in the shoes I wore having been on the fence. Hugs and good luck!
Amanda, termination, no matter how hard the road ahead looks, is not an option. There is life in you dear sweet child. Do not terminate what will be a beautiful testimony to many people in the future. I promise you will love this child unconditionally. Many people have gone through this kind of situation before. My cousin is now 40 with Spina Bifida and he is an extremely smart, loving and caring miracle. Don’t chance the possiblility that one day you will wonder what could of been, and regeret it. One day this baby might just make a difference in the lives of others. Check out the guy from wwwlifewithoutlimbs.org he is a true inspiration. May God Bless you and the descision you have to make with the other two true options.
Praying for you as you make this decision. I was born with hydrocephalus 25 years ago, and I have many friends with SB. They all have their physical challenges, but they are some of the most joyful, happiest people I know.
Every life is a precious gift and you will never know how blessed you will be by the burden of medical difficulties. I remember holding a young daughter who was in agony and know that I was blessed by being able to comfort her in those moments and continue to be blessed by knowing what a wonderful young woman she’s become as she raises her family and struggles with the difficulties of life.
Hi, Amanda. I have been following your situation on babycenter. I am so very sorry you’re facing this wrenching decision and that your baby has unexpected, frightening anomalies. I can’t begin to imagine your anguish and concern, your torment, fear, grief, and anger.
I have never been in your situation, so I can’t presume what I’d do with any certainty. I think I know, so I did vote. Of course, only you will know what is right for your, your child, and your family. I only wish you peace and strength as you go through this process.
I wanted to offer you support as you consider all your options. I saw the responses on 2 different boards, and honestly, I was very surprised that so many people were angry about the poll itself. The hostility took me aback.
I think that a poll is one tool, one angle in an excruciatingly difficult consideration process, and I totally support your reaching out to everyone you can just to hear ideas and perspectives. It makes a lot of sense to me, though I have never been in a situation like the mothers on either of the 2 boards to which I refer.
I’m an adult woman w/ a different neurological condition, one that developed in my twenties. My illness can’t compare w/ spina bifida, but it could lead to disability, so I think a lot about canes, wheelchairs, mobility, caths, brain function. As I’ve grown older, my attitude toward disability has evolved, perhaps out of necessity as reality sets in. My attitudes about disability pingpong about quite a bit actually, which I think is ok, practical, and healthy. I live w/ ambivalence, which is ok w/ me.
I would recommend visiting an interesting blog about life w/ disabilty. It’s written by a woman w/ MS, not spina bifida, but she has provocative takes on life, in general, and posts lovely pics. as well. She doesn’t post anymore, but the archives are there to peruse. Google retired waif at the wordpress site, if you’re interested. She also maintains a lot of links to different disabilty websites, that sometimes make an interesting read.
When I was very sick a few years ago and living w/ a disabling relapse, I found the retired waif’s blog a source of ideas to mull over.
~ I just wanted to say that I’m thinking of you and your family. This is so terribly hard, I know. I just wanted to reach out w/ support, and w/o judgement.
I’m so sorry you are in this position. I had a baby who was (unexpectedly) stillborn 10 years ago. If I had to do it all over again knowing the outcome, I would. I was able to carry and love my baby for as long as God allowed it. Then I was able to see him, hold him, take pictures with him, and kiss him goodbye. Was it gut wrenching? Yes. Do I cry for him even today? Yes. But I would much rather have the sweet memories that I do then the regrets and grief knowing that it was me who ended his life. May God bless you, comfort you, and lead you in your decision. Hugs and prayers to you.
I don’t pretend to know everything, so I didn’t vote. I do know this, however. My granddaughter was diagnosed with a rare cancer called retino blastoma (I may be wrong on the spelling) before she was a year old. It’s serious stuff. She’s lost one eye to the cancer and is legally blind because the cancer developed in her other eye so they’ve lasered and radiated to save her (she’s not even in school yet). The way I understand it, the cancer likes to grow in the eyes and travel through the optic nerve to the brain, but I’m not a doctor.
She is the most awesome young lady on the planet. OK my wife and her mom have her beat, in a different way, but I love every second with my granddaughter. I too take photos, obviously not as well as you do. But every time I’ve gone into the yard with my granddaughter she shows me something I totally forgot was worth photographing. Her sense of feel made me look at leaves in a different way. Wow, there’s a texture I can explore and share that I’ve ignored (I like macros because folks often overlook the beauty around them on a daily basis)? I never got the pecan leaves done right, but I haven’t quit and I’ve run strobes dry trying. Her description of the wind in her face during a go-cart ride made me spend two days trying to capture that innocent feeling I thought I’d outgrown (I only quit after she flew back home because the energy she shared was gone once the non-optically challenged grandsons were the only ones who remained). You had to hear that 4-year-old describe how her hair felt. She helped me remember my first go-kart ride. The photos stink because I’m not as adept with a camera as you are, but I hope you get my gist.
I see the world in a whole new, wonderful way when I’m with her. She’s blind, and very sick, but she eagerly reminds me of all the neat stuff I overlook. Wow. I’m so glad she’s here and that we can discover/rediscover these things. I can’t speak for her. All I can tell you is the hugs, excitement and genuine and palpable love is there.
The challenges you face are very different, but similar, which I hope somewhat explains my not voting. I also have an adult daughter who’s a quadraplegic. I wouldn’t trade her for the world. She helps me see things in a different way. She’s a little to old to share new feelings with “papa,” but I’ve photographed some pretty cool stuff after she became comfortable with her situation (e-mail me and I’ll send you a neat one with her on an ATV doing a wheelie).
AND, just so you know what a non-artistic difference taking photos makes, try this on for size. When my granddaughter was barely able to crawl, I took photos of her and told my daughter it was weird direct flash on her always resulted in red eye in one eye and not the other. I never dreamed that it would be this serious, but when my daughter gave the digital images to the doctor, the previous diagnosis of “lazy eye” was quickly dismissed and specialists were called in.
I know that many many women terminate when they recieve this diagnosis, so I won’t be surprised if you do.. However I think that really sucks and am insulted for my child and all the people out there with spina bifida leading normal happy lives. Sad that a lot of people hold so little value for those who are different…
I am so thankful I decided not to terminate my sweet girl Devyn. She is such a cool little girl, beautiful, funny, smart, and a joy in my life. So scary that I almost missed out on the chance to know her..
You will think the same thing of your child someday, you should do yourself a favor and give that little person a chance.
http://www.babyjetstory.blogspot.com) He eats, breathes, walks, talks (well..says momma and dada – he’s only 16months old ), smiles, laughs, hugs, plays, snuggles and does everything I once thought he would never do. He does have Spina Bifida – but he IS not Spina Bifida – he is so, so much more -he is the baby of my dreams – the baby I thought I would never have – the baby I thank GOD for giving me – the baby I just tucked into bed. So please, please. I beg you not only for your baby who represents my own sweet little boy just 2 years ago…but for your sake. I won’t lie – the pregnancy – all the worrying and the waiting was so hard. I cried many a night just in fear for what was going to happen. But I prayed. Boy did I pray. Prayed healing and strength on my unborn baby – an I’m convinced to this day that God healed him in ways I’ll never know. Jet’s lesion (the opening on his back) was very large. Unusually large. But he is able to do so many things beyond our expectations. He’s got a wicked scar on his back that I’m sure will make him a chick-magnet in his teens. lol. I could go on and on. I’m so in love with him. And, Amanda, we are REAL. We are not some sappy Hallmark movie where they exaggerate the happiness of otherwise tragic situations – we are genuinely, sincerely happy. We marvel and say “if only we had known then….we wouldn’t have been so scared.” And I am not the exception – every family I have EVER met with a child with SB says the exact same thing – we wouldn’t trade them for the world – they are more amazing than we ever imagined – if only doctors could show you the children – and not the worst-case scientific scenario. I am praying for peace and comfort and strength for your family right now. Please feel free to contact me and please look at our family blog http://www.babyboypenny.blogspot.com – it is my testament to my son and the blessings we share.
My heart is breaking for you for so many reasons – remembering that day – the day my heart threatened to stop beating forever – the day we were told our baby not only had SB, but had an extremely rare form that would either lead to a severely handicapped child (unable to eat or breathe without tubes and ventilators, unable to talk, walk or understand much of anything) or a child who would die shortly after birth. We were devastated. I assure you they talked immediately about termination and I just felt numb and dead inside at the thought – either way I felt I had already lost my baby. It was the worst day of my life. Do you want to know the best day? The day my son, Jet, was born. My angel, miracle, precious baby. He didn’t die. (to read more about the pregnancy story please visitOur situation is a little different because my son, Jacob, is adopted. We got him from the NICU at 7 weeks (met him at 3 weeks)and were told that there were many unknown factors concerning his development. Although we were not faced with the decisions you are now facing we were faced with the question of whether we would adopt him and how his development would go. I can tell you that he is one of the greatest joys of my life. He is extremely intelligent and personable. He cannot walk, but gets around very well, attends regular Kindergarten and took swim lessons at the YMCA. He is definitely a typical boy in his likes and dislikes and he and my husband do woodcrafts together and he helps my husband do things like work on the car. He already knows more about tools and trucks than I do. He had surgery on his spine when he was only 3 days old and had the same type of SB your baby appears to have. He leads a very full, active life and I am sure that will continue. I know he has challenges ahead but I am also sure that he will overcome them. All our lives hold challenges but that does not mean life cannot be incredibly wonderful!
Dear Amanda & Jason…A lot of ppl will agree, a lot of ppl will disagree. None of these ppl will have to deal with the effects of your decision. If you keep the baby, you will feel the love, joy, heartache, and pain. If you terminate the pregnacny, you will deal with the pain and sadness. No one else. I pray for your family. I love you, admire and respect you. You are wonderful human beings. You will make the best decision for your family. You always do. We do the best that we can, with what we know at the time. Best to you always. <3
I just want to say I love you! Whatever decision you make I will support. I think for every person the decision is different for different reasons, personality, financially, etc etc. So, just know that even though it feels like I am a gazillion miles away, I am here. Even if I only listen and expect to hear your voice occasionally. Also, I think you should write a book!!!!
Love you…BFF
I’ve been in your shoes but never had to make the decison to terminate or not. It was never an option for us because we strongly believe God creates EVERY child perfectly. Just because the world views kids with disabilities as having something “wrong”, God sees these kids as special and perfectly made. God has never given me the right to kill any of my children…it’s up to Him to take them when he’s ready for them. My daughter, Autumn, is one of those 5% with SB that has severe ACII issues. She has a trach, on a vent, can’t walk, can’t talk on her own, can’t eat by mouth. Makes it sound like she can’t do anything but that’s not the case. She’s FULL of life and joy. She communicates through sign language, she’s healthy, she army crawls ALL over the place and gets into everything like a typical 2 year old. She has temper tantrums when she does not get her way, she laughs (without sound) when we do funny things, she loves playing and fighting with her 2 older siblings. She’s perfect. These first 2 years have been difficult with surgeries, etc but she gets stronger everyday. Autumn has completely changed our lives and I think this is why people who have children with special needs can not even comprehend why people who have not had one wants to terminate or give up on their unborn child. Until you have held a child with SB in your arms and watched them go through surgery, have spent hours in therapy and then you see how they view life compared to us it’s a life changing moment. You realize how ignorant you ever were to think that this child was not worthy of life. You are taught compassion, tolerance, miracles, hope, strength, sacrifice, and so many other wonderful qualities. I’m blessed that my 2 older kids are learning all these at such a young age and it even changes the way they see and treat other kids as well. I’m not going to lie…it’s a challenage but it’s worth every second to have my little inspiration in my life. I think termination is selffish. It allows you to get rid of your “problem” so your life will not be interrupted. It’s not about saving your child from a hard life. If you look at EVERY one of our SB kids not ONE of them is miserable and/or unhappy. Each of them embraces life the way we should. If you do terminate…you will miss out on the greatest blessing God has ever tried to give you.
Hi Amanda. My 7 yr old son Drew has spina bifida and was #4 at UCSF to have fetal surgery in the MOMS study at 19 gestational weeks.. I can offer you much hope and would love to listen as I remember too well exactly how you’re feeling right now. We will be in Orlando in a few weeks as well and Drew is a pretty amazing kid we wld be honored to have you meet him
I hurt for you. I know these are difficult days for you. The stress of the unknown is so often worse than the reality of what is. That’s true with all of life everyday, for everyone. The what if’s and what might be are overwhelming. Regardless of the decision you make today regarding your baby, life is not going to be easy. Some of life’s greatest gifts and joys come at great cost. We value more that which costs us more, more risk, more work, more faith, more effort. It becomes worth more to us. I have never meet a Sb child who wished they had not been born. But beyond the baby. What about you and your husband? Can you deny yourself the joy, the love, the unequaled experience, the leap of deep faith that Hope will bring into your hearts and home? For your sake, if only for you and no one else, don’t refuse this precious gift.
Hi, It’s me again. I’m just so haunted by your situation, I guess I felt compelled to come back and comment once more after reading some of the posts over on babycenter.
In my previous comment, I didn’t mention which option I voted for, but given the vocal opinions from different sides, I guess I’d like to weigh in.
I do not have a child w/ spina bifida. I do have a neurological illness, which I developed as an adult. I’ve also have had a termination and seriously considered TFMR.
I voted to keep the child. Personally, I would most likely choose the MOMS study, as I am a research, progressive oriented type person. It is in my nature to do everything I can possibly can in any situation. But that’s just me. My oldest child has/had some mild developmental delays and I have done everything humanly possible since he was born to help him. While it’s been difficult sometimes, I haven’t found the changes in my life to be a burden. I love the way my life, my mind, my perspective has grown. I’m so much more interesting now! So again, it’s just in my nature to strive, try anything, and never give up. But if I didn’t participate in the MOMS study, I’d still CTT.
I’ve had a termination for non-medical reasons as a teenager. I wouldn’t call it a “choice”, as I did it bec. I felt the personal safety and wellbeing of myself and my family was at risk bec. of a volatile social situation. I think I would make the same “choice” if I was in exactly the same situation. But I want you to know that even 25 years later I still grieve over the loss of the child. And I was only 7.5 weeks along. I have been deeply sad about it my entire life. I so wish that wasn’t part of my past.
In my last pregancy, I had elevated risks for DS. While waiting for the amnio results I very seriously considered termination. I even called a clinic and visited the TFMR on bbc. I was that serious about it. I played it out over and over in my mind to prepare. But the idea was driving me to the point of a breakdown. Before I got the amnio results, I began to lean toward adoption if the results came back positive. The idea of ending the pregnancy was too much for me to bear, especially in the 2nd trimester, after seeing and feeling the baby. I’m not a religious person (actually I’m an atheist) so it was simply my own human feelings directing me.
Adoption presented itself as a very good solution, since I didn’t feel able to care for a child w/ special needs, given my own physical limitations.
Many people,good people, will come forward to adopt a child w/ special needs with open arms. This wasn’t an option on the poll. But perhaps this could be one more avenue to consider?
Peace and strength to you–no matter what you decide. I noticed you’ve gotten quite a bit of flack on bbc. If you want to chat or vent, you can email me if you’d like. I’ve given my own opinions, since your poll asked for them. But I wouldn’t presume to judge you or steer you. You have to make the choice for yourself. And if you’d like to chat, feel free to email. best wishes.
Hi Amanda,
We have a five year daughter named Gillian who has spina bifida (myelomeningocele), hydrocephalus, and the chiari malformation. We created a blog for her right after we were told of her diagnosis at 20 weeks. Please feel free to read it (I listed it in the website section). I feel for you during this time. I was in your shoes 5 and a half years ago. Our daughter has turned out to be an amazing and incredibly talented person. I could not imagine life without her. We also have a son, so I understand your concerns about affecting the other members of the family and the family dynamics. But I have to say that Gillian has brought so much joy and true fullness to our family. We are better people and parents because of her. My son is a better person because of her. Gillian wears braces and walks a little differently, but people are amazed when I tell them her diagnosis. You see, on paper, she sounds so scary. But in person, she is a beautiful, talented, strong willed, outspoken, amazing little girl. She likes to draw, sing, and bug her brother. She was just in a talent show at her school where she sang the whole song “Tomorrow” from Annie! Yes, she does have different challenges from typical kids her age, and yes, I was afraid to include those challenges in our life. But, like I said, I can’t imagine our lives without her!
Amanda,
You seem to think no matter what choice you make, you will be filled with guilt. I have never known any mother of a child with spina bifida to feel any sort of guilt over giving that child the gift of life, and I have known a lot. I have a son with spina bifida. He is the youngest of five children, and he has brought a new aspect of life and vitality and joy to our lives. He is incredibly happy and does not let his disability stop him from living a full life–the kind of life that inspires others. Please don’t take this opportunity from your child. There is no way we can protect our children, whether they have disabilities or not, from all pain and suffering. And children with spina bifida do have to suffer at times from things that the rest of us do not. However, this is not to say that their suffering is necessarily greater than able-bodied individuals; just different. I have never known a person with spina bifida who felt they had suffered so much they wish they had never been born. I have known able-bodied people who felt that way.
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Amanda my heart goes out to you. I still remember vividly over 23 years ago finding out our unborn baby had spina bifida. You can read our story atWe have never for a second regretted bringing our son into the world. He has blessed our lives in so many ways. And more importantly he loves life and is happy with who he is. And his siblings love him too. The journey has made our whole family stronger and we appreciate life so much more. I wish you the best and hope you find peace.
I had my kids before the MOMS study. I chose to give my kid a chance. I have two older kids, both in college now. My daughter with SB is now 15 and learning to drive. She is a good student, played wheelchair basketball for a few years but quit because of the high school academic demands, etc. She has tried downhill skiing and loved horseback riding. She has even gotten a first place in dressage (horseback riding). She won the school spelling bee in elementary school and went to the county bee. She takes honors classes and does well. She wants to be a teacher or pediatric physical therapist. She babysits. She doesn’t walk anymore, but I have to say, walking isn’t that big of a deal really. It is just one way, of many, to get from one place to another. She has friends, the teachers love her and she is mostly happy. I say mostly, because she IS a teenager ya know! She has had a few medical challenges over the years but it has made her a stronger and more independent person , one that can make her own decisions and understand the consequences. Don’t let fear of the unknown make your decision.
by Amanda Kern
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